Re: [trafficsafety] First, what is the problem ... then we can find a solution

Hal Ballard has many years of experience in bicycle advocacy, and I he has done a lot of work in Beaverton and Washington County. He is the current Chair of the Washington County Bicycle Transportation Coalition. He is a valuable resource, I would be disappointed if the traffic-safety group were to lose him.

 

Humor is a very difficult thing to do via email.  The reader may be in a completely different mindset, different mood, etc., from the writer.  The email writer and email reader may not know each other personally, and the reader may not "get" the writer's warped sense of humor. 

 

I've offended people on more than one occasion by writing something in jest or in a sarcastic tone that I thought was humorous, but others found offensive or juvenile, or both. 

 

If Jasun and Hal were to happen to bump into each other (not literally) in person and get to talking about bicycling issues, I'll bet they would find they had much in common and would agree on way more issues than they disagreed on. 

 

I hope this can be worked out and that Hal will reconsider.

 

--CD

 

 

On 9/19/06, Preston Crawford <me@prestoncrawford.com> wrote:

Unless I missed something, that was making Mount Hood out of an ant hill.
It seemed to me that Jasun made a statement about the reality of how
society is markted to and manipulated so severely that a bigger car is
often a statement of confidence or pride in place of real confidence.
That's what I got out of what he wrote. How this wondered into this
strange place where Hal would consider leaving the list is beyond me.

Preston

> I may be way out of line here, so shut me up if I'm wrong but...
>
> 1) Hal, please reconsider.
> 2) Brian, please reconsider your position as well.
>
> This list needs people with Hal's experience and judgment.
>
> This list, being so new, also needs to find it's direction before it can
> move forward.  I don't think Hal's post was meant in a bickering manner.
> I
> interpreted Hal's post as meaning that he thought the previous poster was,
> perhaps, naïve in his thinking and maybe needed to refine/reconsider his
> position.
>
> It seems to me that many of us are working through our emotions as well as
> opinions on the current state of traffic safety (or lack thereof).  I
> think
> the discourse, at this stage in the list's life, is really necessary.
> Polite and respectful discourse, of course, as all opinions should be
> valued, even when one disagrees with the stated opinion.  But we need to
> flesh out the direction that members want to go in, and the results folks
> hope to achieve.
>
> Before we become a "working group", we need to figure out what we want to
> work ON.  If we can't debate that direction, we won't be effective.
>
> JMHO.
>
> Susan
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hal Ballard [mailto: bicyclist@comcast.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:25 PM
> To: 'Brian Scrivner'; trafficsafety@lists.riseup.net
> Subject: RE: [trafficsafety] First, what is the problem ... then we can
> find
> a solution
>
>
> Brian,
>
> Remove me from the list.
>
> It is biased and one sided and not open to any criticism.
>
> "The thing is, "You see what you want to see, and you hear what you want
> to
> hear.  You dig?"  (the Rock man from "The Point" by Harry Nilsson)
>
> Hal Ballard
> Chair, WashCo BTC
> LCI 815 C, M
> "I ride my bicycle to ride my bicycle" ~Zen proverb
>
>
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