RE: [trafficsafety] First, what is the problem ... then we can find a solution

Thanks Susan for your wise words.  I agree with you when you say "Before we become a "working group", we need to figure out what we want to
work ON.  If we can't debate that direction, we won't be effective.  "

 

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From: "Susan Otcenas" <susan@teamestrogen.com>

> I may be way out of line here, so shut me up if I'm wrong but...
>
> 1) Hal, please reconsider.
> 2) Brian, please reconsider your position as well.
>
> This list needs people with Hal's experience and judgment.
>
> This list, being so new, also needs to find it's direction before it can
> move forward. I don't think Hal's post was meant in a bickering manner. I
> interpreted Hal's post as meaning that he thought the previous poster was,
> perhaps, na�ve in his thinking and maybe needed to refine/reconsider his
> position.
>
> It seems to me that many of us are working through our emotions as well as
> opinions on the current state of traffic safety (or lack thereof). I think
> the discourse, at this stage in the list's life, is really necessary.
> Polite and respectful discourse, of course, as all opinions should be
> valued, even when one disagrees with the stated opinion. But we need to
> flesh out the direction that members want to go in, and the results folks
> hope to achieve.
>
> Before we become a "working group", we need to figure out what we want to
> work ON. If we can't debate that direction, we won't be effective.
>
> JMHO.
>
> Susan
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hal Ballard [mailto:bicyclist@comcast.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:25 PM
> To: 'Brian Scrivner'; trafficsafety@lists.riseup.net
> Subject: RE: [trafficsafety] First, what is the problem ... then we can find
> a solution
>
>
> Brian,
>
> Remove me from the list.
>
> It is biased and one sided and not open to any criticism.
>
> �The thing is, �You see what you want to see, and you hear what you want to
> hear. You dig?� (the Rock man from �The Point� by Harry Nilsson)
>
> Hal Ballard
> Chair, WashCo BTC
> LCI 815 C, M
> �I ride my bicycle to ride my bicycle� ~Zen proverb
>
>
>
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