Friday, September 29, 2006

[trafficsafety] Sept. 1 Demo on TV

My video of the traffic safety awareness demonstration in Beaverton is
now scheduled on cable TV. See this page for the schedule.
http://www.tvctv.org/content/programs/searchresultsTVCTV.asp?strKeyword=traffic&datDate=&intChannel=%25&Submit3=Search+Programs
More airings may be added later so keep checking this page.

Note: Only the channel 11 showings are metro-wide. The other showings
are only in Washington County.

Kat Iverson

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[trafficsafety] Neighborhood Small Grants Program 2006-07

Money for traffic safety?

I am not much at writing grants but I thought I would share this.

jasun

Neighborhood Small Grants Program 2006-07

What it is?

New program provides $200,000 in small grants to neighborhood and
community-based organizations.  Grants being distributed through seven
neighborhood district coalitions.  Applications
<http://www.portlandonline.com/oni/index.cfm?c=43131&>  are being accepted
through November 1, 2006.

 

Goals of the grants program

The program's goal is to support neighborhood and community-based
organizations through projects that build their organizational capacity,
attract new and diverse membership, and sustain those already involved in
their organizations.

 

Projects are encouraged to:

*       Establish partnerships amongst neighborhood associations and other
under-represented community-based organizations;
*       Provide opportunities for under-represented communities to become
engaged in the neighborhood system; and
*       Result in re-invigorating community participation and implementation
activities associated with VisionPDX (the effort in which residents are
invited to help envision Portland 20 years from now.)

 <http://www.portlandonline.com/oni/index.cfm?c=43131&a=130125> Northeast
Coalition of Neighborhoods

Application form for Small Grants Program for Northeast Coalition of
Neighborhoods as a PDF file.

 

 

 

Grant writing workshop for Small Grants Program

 

Starts

Thursday, September 28 2006 @ 6:30 PM

Ends

9:00 PM

 

Host

Brian G Hoop  <mailto:bhoop@ci.portland.or.us>

Summary

Location: Portland Building, 1105 SW 5th Ave., 2nd Floor, Room B

Click here <http://www.portlandonline.com/oni/index.cfm?c=43120>  for
general information on the Neighborhood Small Grants Program.

 

To Register <http://www.portlandonline.com/oni/index.cfm?c=43145&>  for the
workshop

Click <http://www.portlandonline.com/oni/index.cfm?c=43145&>  here to
register online or by calling Brian Hoop at 503-823-4519 or email
bhoop@ci.portland.or.us <mailto:bhoop@ci.portland.or.us> .

*       These are free workshops, but space is limited.
*       These sessions will help answer questions about the application, the
committee review process, use of funds and provide technical assistance for
actual grant writing.
*       Grant applications will be available at this workshop.
*       Participation is optional for submitting a grant proposal.
*       Pre-registration is required for the workshops.
*       You can only register for one workshop to ensure as many people as
possible can participate.
*       If one workshop is already filled you will be notified.

Special Assistance for language interpretation or child care

If special assistance is required for language interpretation or child care
please contact us seven days in advance.  Brian Hoop, 503-823-3075 or
bhoop@ci.portland.or.us <mailto:bhoop@ci.portland.or.us>  .

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[trafficsafety] Powell Blvd. Streetscape Community Workshop - Oct. 16

Powell Boulevard Streetscape Planning is in the works.
Make your voices heard!

We can help make Powell Blvd. a safer place for pedestrians and bicyclists.

 

I encourage all of you to attend the community workshop on Oct. 16th.

 

 

-Sherry

*   *   *   *   *

There are two up-coming events open to the community.  (They are listed below.)
The primary purpose of each event is to learn from the community how they use Powell Blvd, how they would like to use it, where they have concerns and what ideas they have.
Flyers will be mailed to community members in the Powell Blvd corridor next week.

Neighborhood Walks
There will be three consecutive neighborhood walks along Powell Blvd throughout the day on Saturday, October 14th, between the Ross Island Bridgehead and I-205.  More details to follow.

Community Workshop
There will be a community workshop at Cleveland High School Cafeteria on Monday, October 16th. The community is welcome to drop in anytime between 5 PM and 7:30 PM.

Contact April Bertlesen with any questions:

April Bertelsen
Transportation Planner
Portland Office of Transportation
503.823.6177
April.bertelsen@pdxtrans.org

*   *   *   *   *

 

 

 

 

Thursday, September 28, 2006

[trafficsafety] a very interesting "open letter" from a cyclist to motorists

While I don't agree with 100% of her letter, I thought this was well written and touches on all the salient points, so I'm sharing.   (Anyone know her?)





Donna M. Bryan

To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
- Theodore Roosevelt



Re: [trafficsafety] Florida Becomes 7th State to Pass 3-Foot Passing Law for Motorists

this is the last sentence of the newspaper story I linked to:
 

"Florida is one of seven states with the passing law. Arizona, Minnesota, Oklahoma and Wisconsin are among the others."

Either they know of some states we don't, or they got it wrong in their story.  Now I'm confused, too.

 

cd



 
On 9/28/06, Jonathan Maus <jonathan@bikeportland.org> wrote:
I thought there were only 5 others with a statewide law.
 
Utah
Missouri
Minnesota
Arizona
Oklahoma
And in Oregon we have a city ordinance in Grants Pass.
(and now Florida)
 
Is there a state I am missing here?
--Jonathan
 
 
On 9/28/2006 9:12:13 AM, Curt Dewees (curt.dewees@gmail.com) wrote:
> There are now seven states in the U.S. where it is illegal for motorists
> to pass bicyclists without giving them at least 3 feet of space. Oregon isn't one of them ...
>
> http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2006/09/28/s1b_bikelaw_0928.html

Re: [trafficsafety] Florida Becomes 7th State to Pass 3-Foot Passing Law for Motorists

I thought there were only 5 others with a statewide law.
 
Utah
Missouri
Minnesota
Arizona
Oklahoma
And in Oregon we have a city ordinance in Grants Pass.
(and now Florida)
 
Is there a state I am missing here?
--Jonathan
 
 
On 9/28/2006 9:12:13 AM, Curt Dewees (curt.dewees@gmail.com) wrote:
> There are now seven states in the U.S. where it is illegal for motorists
> to pass bicyclists without giving them at least 3 feet of space. Oregon isn't one of them ...
>
> http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2006/09/28/s1b_bikelaw_0928.html

[trafficsafety] Florida Becomes 7th State to Pass 3-Foot Passing Law for Motorists

There are now seven states in the U.S. where it is illegal for motorists to pass bicyclists without giving them at least 3 feet of space. Oregon isn't one of them ...
 

Monday, September 25, 2006

Re: [trafficsafety] community discussion regarding traffic safety and a vehicular cycling law?

Cool Donna!

I will totally be there. Thank you for getting a spot for us to meet as a
group in person. I feel that this will help us get to know one another and
listen to each other's ideas and concerns.

jasun

On Sunday 24 September 2006 23:34, Donna Marie Bryan wrote:
> I was able to reserve space in the People's Community Room on
> Wednesday, July 27th from 7:30-9:00PM. The reservation request was
> submitted before we found out about PDOT's agenda for the next
> legislative session. I also realize it happens on the same night as
> the BTA open house and conflicts with a cyclocross clinic. That
> said, the room is available, and we could discuss a vehicular cycling
> law, or we could discuss ideas for more traffic safety events,
> actions, PSAs, or other ideas. At any rate, it's not easy getting
> space in the Community Room at People's, so might as well make the
> most of it. I have to admit my job has left me feeling somewhat
> uncreative lately, and so I hope folks are full of great ideas.
>
> People's is at 3029 SE 21st Ave. at SE Tibbetts St. Hope you can
> make it.
>
> Donna
>
>
> Donna Marie Bryan
> donna@tangleweeds.com
>
> "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security,
> unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs,
> you would not hear of that party again in our political history.
> There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do
> these things. Among them are...Texas oil millionaires and an
> occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number
> is negligible and they are stupid."
> -- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, November 8, 1954
>
>
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[trafficsafety] Re: [shift] Good news/bad news about how Oregon car drivers routinely treat pedestrians ...

i would be in favor of requiring more than 70% correct to allow someone behind the wheel. 95% or better is my suggestion.

On 9/23/06, Curt Dewees < curt.dewees@gmail.com> wrote:
Something we've all suspected but couldn't prove ...
 
[Source: MSN.com]
 
20% of car drivers would fail a driving test today
 
 
"At least one of every five drivers doesn't know when to use bright lights, how to follow directional arrows or when highways are the most slippery, results from a national driver's test show.

"GMAC Insurance administered a 20-question test -- similar to a traditional licensing test at the local DMV – to 5,288 drivers and released the results last week. Of those tested, nearly 10% were unable to answer enough questions correctly to achieve a passing score of 70.

"If the test results are any guide, America's pedestrians are in deep, deep trouble.
 
  • 20% of drivers do not know that a pedestrian has the right of way at a marked or unmarked crosswalk.
  • 1 in 3 drivers don't usually stop for pedestrians – even if they're in a crosswalk or at a yellow light.
  • One-third admit they speed up to make a yellow light even when pedestrians are in the crosswalk.

[The good news: Oregon drivers ranked the most knowledgeable in the nation, with 90% to pass a driver's test today.  On the flip side, that means 10% of Oregon's car drivers don't know how to drive safely... and yet they're still out there, mindlessly threatening the lives and safety of bicyclists and pedestrians every time they get behind the wheel. -- CD]

Here's the link:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Insurance/Insureyourcar/P151501.asp?GT1=8580




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nicholas.d.johnson@gmail.com

Re: [trafficsafety] community discussion regarding traffic safety and a vehicular cycling law?

The BTA open house is from 5-7 p.m. (at 1979 SW 5th Ave., in case you're wondering) so it would be possible to attend the BTA event and also make it across the river in time for this important discussion.
 
CD

 
On 9/24/06, Donna Marie Bryan <donna@tangleweeds.com> wrote:
I was able to reserve space in the People's Community Room on Wednesday, July 27th from 7:30-9:00PM.  The reservation request was submitted before we found out about PDOT's agenda for the next legislative session.  I also realize it happens on the same night as the BTA open house and conflicts with a cyclocross clinic.  That said, the room is available, and we could discuss a vehicular cycling law, or we could discuss ideas for more traffic safety events, actions, PSAs, or other ideas.  At any rate, it's not easy getting space in the Community Room at People's, so might as well make the most of it.  I have to admit my job has left me feeling somewhat uncreative lately, and so I hope folks are full of great ideas. 

 
People's is at 3029 SE 21st Ave. at SE Tibbetts St.   Hope you can make it.

 
Donna

 

 
Donna Marie Bryan

 
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history.  There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are...Texas oil millionaires and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
                    -- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, November 8, 1954


 

Sunday, September 24, 2006

[trafficsafety] community discussion regarding traffic safety and a vehicular cycling law?

I was able to reserve space in the People's Community Room on Wednesday, July 27th from 7:30-9:00PM.  The reservation request was submitted before we found out about PDOT's agenda for the next legislative session.  I also realize it happens on the same night as the BTA open house and conflicts with a cyclocross clinic.  That said, the room is available, and we could discuss a vehicular cycling law, or we could discuss ideas for more traffic safety events, actions, PSAs, or other ideas.  At any rate, it's not easy getting space in the Community Room at People's, so might as well make the most of it.  I have to admit my job has left me feeling somewhat uncreative lately, and so I hope folks are full of great ideas. 

People's is at 3029 SE 21st Ave. at SE Tibbetts St.   Hope you can make it.

Donna


Donna Marie Bryan

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history.  There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are...Texas oil millionaires and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
                    -- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, November 8, 1954


Re: [trafficsafety] idea for a traffic safety PSA

Brian & all;
I believe something like this is very do-able. We get a helmet-cam
(Jeff B and Rev Phil have one) and use that to display the scenes with a
driver on this list (who can carefully drive) and a 'stunt' cyclist who
is capable of cycling through one of these situations without getting
hurt. This would be great because how many TV viewers have seen the
world through a cyclist's eyes. Then we repeat the scenes with no
animosity. There are many small streets where this could be done with
no problem.
Then it's just editing and publishing.

Aaron Tarfman
Transportation Diplomat
www.yourbodypower.org

"It's amazing to me that people can save $7000 a year by making a simple lifestyle change."

Brian Scrivner wrote:

> A PSA is a Public Service Announcement. Has anyone noticed there is a
> PSA for JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING? I don't watch TV often, but whenever I
> do there is a message during a commercial break about separating glass
> from other recyclables, or the importance of yielding to emergency
> vehicles, or the hazards of smoking... just about every group in the
> world has a PSA but WHERE are the ones educating viewers / listeners
> about sharing the road? I still encounter drivers who believe that
> cyclists riding in a lane (in one of the situations that permit
> "taking a lane" by law) are riding illegally, or don't realize they
> have to yield the right of way to any cyclist in a bike lane.
>
> Also, have you noticed those commercials that present two possible
> realities, one with a product and one without? Without, it is usually
> something like this: everything is seen through a gray filter,
> everyone pictured is miserable and has a mopey face, it's probably
> cloudy, etc. Then, with the introduction of The Product, suddenly
> everyone is smiling, it is sunny, everything is in full color,
> somebody's sinuses are clear now, and a butterfly alights on their
> shoulder (or some crap like that).
>
> SO, here is my idea for a "share the road" PSA:
>
> In the first half, the words "Before The Enlightenment" or similar
> fill the screen, then there is a quickly-edited succession of poor
> traffic interactions. Everyone is angry, it's cloudy, people are
> cursing at each other... or some facsimile of cursing, network
> profanity guidelines you know. A cyclist gets doored, someone is cut
> off by a right-turning motorist, a car or better yet SUV pulls out
> from a two-way stop and a cyclist ends up T-ing into their door, you
> get the idea.
>
> To start the second half, the words "After The Enlightenment" or
> similar fill the screen. In this half, colors are brighter, motorists
> and cyclists wave and smile at each other, somebody says "nice legs"
> to a cyclist, and the previously shown traffic interactions are
> repeated but there are no conflicts. The driver looks before opening
> the door, the right-turning driver and the two-way-stop driver
> patiently wait for the cyclist to clear the intersection... add your
> ideas here. Oh yeah, a butterfly alights on somebody's shoulder, or a
> dove, or maybe we could do something much more funny and unexpected
> than that.
>
> At the end, the URL for a website, preferably one with a short
> easily-remembered address, fills the screen. At this website would be
> educational information about sharing the road, presented in the
> simplest possible way, with links to statutes for each state and
> locality.
>
> Whaddaya think? Who do you think would help fund something like
> this? Has anything like this been attemped in the past? Many people
> I've talked to have been very positive about this idea.
>
> Barbara had an excellent idea for a PSA, I can't remember if it was in
> verbal conversation or an email that we "talked" about it... Barbara?
>
> <:Bri:>
>
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Saturday, September 23, 2006

Re: [trafficsafety] 'Negligent Collision' fine

Yea,

This is the part I can not quite figure out. If the vehicle is smaller and is
at fault then there should be a minimum ... but I do not know exactly what.

The idea of the fine is to penalize operates of larger and more dangerous for
being careless around smaller vehicles and peds.

jasun

On Saturday 23 September 2006 15:21, Christopher Eykamp wrote:
> I think this is an awesome idea! If I'm on my bike, and through my
> "negligence" I hit a bus, I'll be looking at a pretty steep negative
> fine. My only problem will be figuring out how to invest all that cash
> while finding other buses to be extra-careless around!
>
> ;-)
>
> Chris Eykamp
> Zemmer, Germany
>
> Jasun Wurster wrote:
> > The fine is based on a formula that penalizes heavier and larger
> > vehicles. The reason for this is that if 5000 pound SUV collides with a
> > Motorcycle. The damage caused to the motorcyclist is most likely far more
> > severe. Another situation where this law would proportionally penalize
> > negligence is if a Bicycle has a collision with a Pedestrian.
> >
> > The formula I have been thinking of is one that takes the difference of
> > the larger vehicles weight times $1 dollar. An example is that the
> > operator of a 5000 pound SUV is negligence and collides with a Pedestrian
> > ... $5000 fine. If the collision that caused was caused by negligence is
> > severe enough and causes a fatality. Then a multiplexer of 5 is applied
> > to the fine.
>
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Re: [trafficsafety] 'Negligent Collision' fine

I think this is an awesome idea! If I'm on my bike, and through my
"negligence" I hit a bus, I'll be looking at a pretty steep negative
fine. My only problem will be figuring out how to invest all that cash
while finding other buses to be extra-careless around!

;-)

Chris Eykamp
Zemmer, Germany

Jasun Wurster wrote:
> The fine is based on a formula that penalizes heavier and larger vehicles. The
> reason for this is that if 5000 pound SUV collides with a Motorcycle. The
> damage caused to the motorcyclist is most likely far more severe. Another
> situation where this law would proportionally penalize negligence is if a
> Bicycle has a collision with a Pedestrian.
>
> The formula I have been thinking of is one that takes the difference of the
> larger vehicles weight times $1 dollar. An example is that the operator of a
> 5000 pound SUV is negligence and collides with a Pedestrian ... $5000 fine.
> If the collision that caused was caused by negligence is severe enough and
> causes a fatality. Then a multiplexer of 5 is applied to the fine.
>
>

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[trafficsafety] Good news/bad news about how Oregon car drivers routinely treat pedestrians ...

Something we've all suspected but couldn't prove ...
 
[Source: MSN.com]
 
20% of car drivers would fail a driving test today
 
 
"At least one of every five drivers doesn't know when to use bright lights, how to follow directional arrows or when highways are the most slippery, results from a national driver's test show.

"GMAC Insurance administered a 20-question test -- similar to a traditional licensing test at the local DMV – to 5,288 drivers and released the results last week. Of those tested, nearly 10% were unable to answer enough questions correctly to achieve a passing score of 70.

"If the test results are any guide, America's pedestrians are in deep, deep trouble.
 
  • 20% of drivers do not know that a pedestrian has the right of way at a marked or unmarked crosswalk.
  • 1 in 3 drivers don't usually stop for pedestrians – even if they're in a crosswalk or at a yellow light.
  • One-third admit they speed up to make a yellow light even when pedestrians are in the crosswalk.

[The good news: Oregon drivers ranked the most knowledgeable in the nation, with 90% to pass a driver's test today.  On the flip side, that means 10% of Oregon's car drivers don't know how to drive safely... and yet they're still out there, mindlessly threatening the lives and safety of bicyclists and pedestrians every time they get behind the wheel. -- CD]

Here's the link:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Insurance/Insureyourcar/P151501.asp?GT1=8580

Friday, September 22, 2006

[trafficsafety] Eulogy for Mike Kalan, cyclist killed one week ago by car in Washington County

I read this and thought it was so compelling that it should be shared with SHIFT and TrafficSafety.  I apologize if you get it twice.  Darrell Provencher is a local bicyclist and bike racer who has been involved in the local cycling/bike-racing community for many years.
He attended Mike Kalan's funeral earlier today and wrote this afterward:
 
--CD
 
On 9/22/06, Darell Provencher <darellp@easystreet.com> wrote:
 
I went to Michael Kalan's funeral today at St Matthews Lutheran Church in Beaverton. About 150 people were there. Probably a couple of dozen relatives were there, most of them still obviously in a state of shock and disbelief, abruptly ripped from there everyday lives and brought here today by an accident that could have been avoided.
 
After the service I met Wendy, Michael's wife. I told her I had never met Mike, but I was compelled to come because of the emails and a couple of phone calls I received on Saturday morning. Apparently Mike was wearing what had been described as a yellow, red, and black jersey, and could have been a member of Team Rose City. At that time, the Washing County Sheriff's dept was trying to secure his identity. I spent most of Saturday morning talking to KGW TV on the phone and talking to the Sheriff's dept. It brought back unpleasant memories of a little over a year ago (June18) when I found out that one of our team mates, Eric Kautzky, had been killed when hit from behind by an 18 yr old driver who had fallen asleep at the wheel. These were both accidents that should never have happened. To see their impact in the eyes of friends and relatives is very hard indeed.
 
Mike was 35 yrs old. After KGW called me back later Saturday afternoon with his identity, I googled his name and discovered he was an accomplished Category A cyclocross rider, with top 5 placings in races throughout the Midwest and South -- Kentucky, Ohio, North Carolina. Mike Kalan, bike racer. At the funeral, I learned that Mike grew up in Denver. He rode bikes alot as a kid and loved things mechanical. He majored in mechanical engineering at Valparaiso University. He met his wife Wendy there, and they were married in 1995. I saw his two beautiful children at the service, McKenna (age 3?) and Alex (age 6?). There were also plenty of pictures of Mike on two bulletin boards, mostly cross and mtn bike photos, and family pictures with his children and wife.
 
Mike and his family moved to Portland just 5 months ago. No doubt he was out riding last Friday evening and thinking about the upcoming cross season. Wendy gave me a big hug and thanked me for coming. I now know Mike Kalan as a human being, a father, a husband. If last Friday didn't happen, I could have perhaps someday called him a friend.
 
Needless to say there is still shock and anger amongst those who knew Mike well, and those of us who didn't. We all deal with this kind of terrible news differently. I for one would like to take some kind of positive action to help prevent these situations in the future. So what are some next possible steps that we as a cycling community can take? A couple of ideas:
 
Starting with the West Union/Shute/Helvetia intersection, can we get some "Cyclists on Road" signs posted from each direction?  Are there other roads or intersections that could be identifiied in the metro area where these signs could be posted? Anyone know how we could move this idea forward?
 
Oregon State Law -- Perhaps we should be lobbying key legislators for tougher vehicular homicide/manslaughter laws. Where does the BTA stand on this and what actions are being planned?
 
See also:
 
 
One last thing. If you want in some way to take some action to help Mike's family, you can do so by making a contribution to a fund for his children, Alex and McKenna:
 
Checks to:
 
Alex and McKenna Kalan
c/o Wells Fargo Bank
2645 NW Town Center Drive
Beaverton, OR 97006
 
 
Thanks for listening everyone. Please ride responsibly and safely.
 
Darell Provencher
 
 

RE: [trafficsafety] Sample of Public Commercial Announcement

That sounds good. Only thing I can recommend is changing “a bicyclist” to “someone”. Inattentive drivers are a danger to everyone, not just bicyclists.

 

sean

 


From: thebikelady@comcast.net [mailto:thebikelady@comcast.net]
Sent: 2006.09.21 22:45
To: trafficsafety@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [trafficsafety] Sample of Public Commercial Announcement

 

My idea of a PCA.  Brian asked me to share this with you.

 

Scene 1:
A group of adults sitting in a room. The sign at the head of the room
says "CAA".  One person stands up at the podium and says " Hi , my
name is George Blunt, and I am a cell phone addict."  he goes on to 
say  "Yesterday, I accidentally hit a bicyclist as I was riding in my
car and talking on my cell phone."  The crowd hushes up and then he
says "I really should have been driving instead of talking on  the
phone. I didn't really think I would cause an accident".   The crowd
grows quieter and then he says "The woman died this morning".

 

--
Barbara Chapnick, 503-849-1792
Washington County Bicycle Transportation Coalition
http://washcobtc.org/
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"Don't lose your mind over a helmet. Just wear it!"

Thursday, September 21, 2006

[trafficsafety] Sample of Public Commercial Announcement

My idea of a PCA.  Brian asked me to share this with you.
 
Scene 1:
A group of adults sitting in a room. The sign at the head of the room
says "CAA".  One person stands up at the podium and says " Hi , my
name is George Blunt, and I am a cell phone addict."  he goes on to 
say  "Yesterday, I accidentally hit a bicyclist as I was riding in my
car and talking on my cell phone."  The crowd hushes up and then he
says "I really should have been driving instead of talking on  the
phone. I didn't really think I would cause an accident".   The crowd
grows quieter and then he says "The woman died this morning".
 
--
Barbara Chapnick, 503-849-1792
Washington County Bicycle Transportation Coalition
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"Don't lose your mind over a helmet. Just wear it!"

Re: [trafficsafety] List Purpose and Members

Hey Kat,

I am totally with you. I agree that we need to find an equitable long term
solution to this issue. Which I feel will be comprised of many solutions. I
also think that meeting in physical groups is a way that we can learn how to
communicate better with one another ... then we can communicate with others
as well.

jasun

On Thursday 21 September 2006 11:22, Kat Iverson wrote:
> I, too am becoming disillusioned with this list. The Cycling
> Inferiority Cyclists are dominating it and spreading the propaganda of
> the "us vs. them" mentality. Us being the downtrodden cyclists and them
> being the evil motorists.
>
> Two people wrote to me offlist about my statement to Jasun:
> "If driving a small vehicle makes you feel inferior, that's your fault,
> not society's."
>
> One came from someone I know. One sender was anonymous--a nondescript
> sort of e-mail address and no signature. Both writers said I should
> have replied to Jasun offlist. One said my message wasn't useful and
> was poor etiquette. Ironically, Jasun didn't seem to mind my statement
> at all. By the way, I liked Jasun's response--I thought it was funny.
>
> My statement was not meant to be hateful, spiteful, rude, or snippy, and
> certainly not useless. Anyone who thought so should have given me the
> benefit of the doubt, considered the possibility of misinterpretation,
> and asked for rephrasing or elaboration.
>
> So, here is some elaboration for anyone who misunderstood me. I am
> simply trying to impress on everyone that bicyclists ought not to feel
> inferior. Might does not make right. Our society does not operate that
> way. (Maybe no society can, but I'll leave that to sociologists to
> debate) Bicycles, cars, trucks, horse-drawn carts, farm tractors, etc.
> are all legitimate road vehicles. The vehicle code was developed to
> prevent collisions between any two vehicles and between a vehicle and a
> pedestrian. It works because generally people are law-abiding and
> because people don't like to bump into things, whether it be vehicles,
> pedestrians, or telephone poles. Cyclists who cower at the edges of
> roads don't do themselves or other cyclists any favors. They reinforce
> the views of people who believe in cyclist inferiority.
>
>
> On another note, from Brian Sept. 21:
> "Things such as hazardous cyclists on sidewalks, or improvements to the
> streets themselves, will certainly be up for discussion, but realize
> that the focus is dangerous motorists and what we can do that will
> reduce future fatalities."
>
> From the list purpose:
> "Fatalities of cyclists / pedestrians hit by motorists are increasing,
> much of this due to careless and inattentive driving."
>
> My response:
> Oh! you mean only motor vehicle driving, not all careless and
> inattentive driving. So, cyclists never drive carelessly, and all
> car/bike crashes are the motorists' fault? And all this time, I thought
> the focus was dangerous driving--by anyone, regardless of vehicle. Bike
> crashes are so poorly reported that studies are not entirely reliable,
> but many have concluded that about half of all bike crashes don't
> involve motor vehicles and about half of the car/bike crashes are the
> cyclist's fault.
>
> This morning I heard about a cyclist who almost got hit. He was passing
> a motorist on the right on the approach to a side street. The person
> who told me about it called the motorist a fool. Although the cyclist
> was in a bike lane and had the right of way, I call the cyclist a fool.
> Right turns from left lanes are the worst of many dangerous features of
> bike lanes. The possibility of being right hooked is the primary reason
> I avoided bike laned streets for years when I moved to Portland. It
> wasn't until I felt that I had acquired the extra skills needed to drive
> in bike lanes that I began to use those roads. I still avoid them when
> there is a nearby road with no bike lanes.
>
> Although passing on the right by a cyclist in a bike lane and now
> without a bike lane is legal, the only time it is safe to do it at speed
> is when the cars are moving and there are no right-hand side streets or
> driveways into which the motorist might turn. When the cars are
> stopped, passing on the right must be done cautiously because of the
> possibility of being doored by a passenger. I testified against the
> bill that legalized same-lane passing on the right, but the "cyclists
> deserve special privileges" group was more persuasive, and it passed.
>
> It appears that many of the people on this list are not interested in
> education or in better driving, but only in vengeance against motorists.
>
> Kat Iverson,
> Vehicular Cyclist, which means that I drive my bicycle according to the
> rules of the road.
>
>
>
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[trafficsafety] List Purpose and Members

I, too am becoming disillusioned with this list. The Cycling
Inferiority Cyclists are dominating it and spreading the propaganda of
the "us vs. them" mentality. Us being the downtrodden cyclists and them
being the evil motorists.

Two people wrote to me offlist about my statement to Jasun:
"If driving a small vehicle makes you feel inferior, that's your fault,
not society's."

One came from someone I know. One sender was anonymous--a nondescript
sort of e-mail address and no signature. Both writers said I should
have replied to Jasun offlist. One said my message wasn't useful and
was poor etiquette. Ironically, Jasun didn't seem to mind my statement
at all. By the way, I liked Jasun's response--I thought it was funny.

My statement was not meant to be hateful, spiteful, rude, or snippy, and
certainly not useless. Anyone who thought so should have given me the
benefit of the doubt, considered the possibility of misinterpretation,
and asked for rephrasing or elaboration.

So, here is some elaboration for anyone who misunderstood me. I am
simply trying to impress on everyone that bicyclists ought not to feel
inferior. Might does not make right. Our society does not operate that
way. (Maybe no society can, but I'll leave that to sociologists to
debate) Bicycles, cars, trucks, horse-drawn carts, farm tractors, etc.
are all legitimate road vehicles. The vehicle code was developed to
prevent collisions between any two vehicles and between a vehicle and a
pedestrian. It works because generally people are law-abiding and
because people don't like to bump into things, whether it be vehicles,
pedestrians, or telephone poles. Cyclists who cower at the edges of
roads don't do themselves or other cyclists any favors. They reinforce
the views of people who believe in cyclist inferiority.

On another note, from Brian Sept. 21:
"Things such as hazardous cyclists on sidewalks, or improvements to the
streets themselves, will certainly be up for discussion, but realize
that the focus is dangerous motorists and what we can do that will
reduce future fatalities."

From the list purpose:
"Fatalities of cyclists / pedestrians hit by motorists are increasing,
much of this due to careless and inattentive driving."

My response:
Oh! you mean only motor vehicle driving, not all careless and
inattentive driving. So, cyclists never drive carelessly, and all
car/bike crashes are the motorists' fault? And all this time, I thought
the focus was dangerous driving--by anyone, regardless of vehicle. Bike
crashes are so poorly reported that studies are not entirely reliable,
but many have concluded that about half of all bike crashes don't
involve motor vehicles and about half of the car/bike crashes are the
cyclist's fault.

This morning I heard about a cyclist who almost got hit. He was passing
a motorist on the right on the approach to a side street. The person
who told me about it called the motorist a fool. Although the cyclist
was in a bike lane and had the right of way, I call the cyclist a fool.
Right turns from left lanes are the worst of many dangerous features of
bike lanes. The possibility of being right hooked is the primary reason
I avoided bike laned streets for years when I moved to Portland. It
wasn't until I felt that I had acquired the extra skills needed to drive
in bike lanes that I began to use those roads. I still avoid them when
there is a nearby road with no bike lanes.

Although passing on the right by a cyclist in a bike lane and now
without a bike lane is legal, the only time it is safe to do it at speed
is when the cars are moving and there are no right-hand side streets or
driveways into which the motorist might turn. When the cars are
stopped, passing on the right must be done cautiously because of the
possibility of being doored by a passenger. I testified against the
bill that legalized same-lane passing on the right, but the "cyclists
deserve special privileges" group was more persuasive, and it passed.

It appears that many of the people on this list are not interested in
education or in better driving, but only in vengeance against motorists.

Kat Iverson,
Vehicular Cyclist, which means that I drive my bicycle according to the
rules of the road.

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[trafficsafety] idea for a traffic safety PSA

A PSA is a Public Service Announcement. Has anyone noticed there is a
PSA for JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING? I don't watch TV often, but whenever I
do there is a message during a commercial break about separating glass
from other recyclables, or the importance of yielding to emergency
vehicles, or the hazards of smoking... just about every group in the
world has a PSA but WHERE are the ones educating viewers / listeners
about sharing the road? I still encounter drivers who believe that
cyclists riding in a lane (in one of the situations that permit "taking
a lane" by law) are riding illegally, or don't realize they have to
yield the right of way to any cyclist in a bike lane.

Also, have you noticed those commercials that present two possible
realities, one with a product and one without? Without, it is usually
something like this: everything is seen through a gray filter, everyone
pictured is miserable and has a mopey face, it's probably cloudy, etc.
Then, with the introduction of The Product, suddenly everyone is
smiling, it is sunny, everything is in full color, somebody's sinuses
are clear now, and a butterfly alights on their shoulder (or some crap
like that).

SO, here is my idea for a "share the road" PSA:

In the first half, the words "Before The Enlightenment" or similar fill
the screen, then there is a quickly-edited succession of poor traffic
interactions. Everyone is angry, it's cloudy, people are cursing at
each other... or some facsimile of cursing, network profanity guidelines
you know. A cyclist gets doored, someone is cut off by a right-turning
motorist, a car or better yet SUV pulls out from a two-way stop and a
cyclist ends up T-ing into their door, you get the idea.

To start the second half, the words "After The Enlightenment" or similar
fill the screen. In this half, colors are brighter, motorists and
cyclists wave and smile at each other, somebody says "nice legs" to a
cyclist, and the previously shown traffic interactions are repeated but
there are no conflicts. The driver looks before opening the door, the
right-turning driver and the two-way-stop driver patiently wait for the
cyclist to clear the intersection... add your ideas here. Oh yeah, a
butterfly alights on somebody's shoulder, or a dove, or maybe we could
do something much more funny and unexpected than that.

At the end, the URL for a website, preferably one with a short
easily-remembered address, fills the screen. At this website would be
educational information about sharing the road, presented in the
simplest possible way, with links to statutes for each state and locality.

Whaddaya think? Who do you think would help fund something like this?
Has anything like this been attemped in the past? Many people I've
talked to have been very positive about this idea.

Barbara had an excellent idea for a PSA, I can't remember if it was in
verbal conversation or an email that we "talked" about it... Barbara?

<:Bri:>

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[trafficsafety] compiling info on safer-driving activism, help!

I know it is tough to know where to start with safer-driving activism.
There are so many groups, so many campaigns, so many actions happening
and in planning. Actually, there is enough going on in this area that
it is quite a project just tracking down all the details.

Soon, there shall be a document on the "shared" section of the list
website that outlines the current environment for safer-driving
activism. This would make it much easier for people to plug in wherever
they're located, or in their preferred area of action. If you have been
involved in any of these campaigns / actions / groups, please write me
off-list about your experiences so that I can be as complete and
thorough as possible with this outline.

I'll be contacting MADD, the local bike orgs, local gov't, pedestrian
groups such as Willamette Pedestrian Coalition, any which might be
involved in this area. If you have any tips, any leads at all, please
write me off-list and I'll summarize all the info later for the list.

To start out with, here is some contact info for people who might want
to get involved right away. Since the archives for this list are
public, the email addresses are disguised for anti-spam (info about this
practice and spambots that collect email addresses can be found at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_munging).

Willamette Pedestrian Coalition
P.O. Box 2252
Portland, OR 97208-2252
(503) 223-1597
info [at] wpcwalks dawt org
www.wpcwalks.org

MADD (Portland)
405 W ARLINGTON STREET
GLADSTONE, OR 97027
Phone: 503-723-5040
Alternate: 800-598-6233
FAX: 503-723-5051
PORTLAND.PACIFICNW [at] MADD dawt ORG
www.madd.org

Bicycle Transportation Alliance
PO Box 9072
Portland, OR 97207-9072
info [at] bta4bikes dawt org
503.226.0676
Fax: 503.226.0498
717 SW 12th Ave
Portland, OR 97205
Hours: Tuesday-Friday 9am-5pm

Washington County Bicycle Transportation Coalition
PO Box 1144
Beaverton, Oregon 97075-1144
Phone: 503.984.1761
bicyclist [at] comcast dawt net
washcobtc.org

The Partnership for Safe Driving
www.crashprevention.org

League of American Bicyclists
www.bikeleague.org

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[trafficsafety] thank you, Hal! + posting to list

Hal Ballard wrote:
>
> …I would say that I am more serious about bicycle safety than anything
> I’ve been about anything in my 60^ years.
>

I certainly don't want Hal to leave the list, and I appreciate all that
he does for cycling advocacy / safety advocacy.

Maybe some people are reading my messages too hastily... could it be
that we all have too much email choking our inboxes? I know I certainly
find it difficult to keep up since I'm on many lists and some of them
are high-traffic. That's one thing I was trying to address. I sure
wouldn't ever suggest that perspectives that compete with my own are not
welcome. For example I feel strongly that there should be greater
penalties (for example, suspending the DL for at least a year) for
drivers who cause injury or death by their own fault, and some people on
the list obviously don't feel that way. I appreciate when someone can
articulate their opinion, regardless of what it is, if they're
respectful and not simply saying "that's dumb" with no elaboration.

HOWEVER, this list was created for a specific purpose. It was created
after umteenth cyclist was killed by a motorist, and the cyclist was
doing nothing illegal or inappropriate, in fact was visibly dressed and
biking in a bike lane. Obviously to many of us, more bike lanes are not
the answer. There are very effective groups lobbying for infrastructure
such as bike lanes. This list was created to rally together those people
who feel that, on average, motorists take much too lightly the
responsibility of driving a car, which can be MORE deadly than a gun...
how often does a single gunshot kill multiple people? The reason this
list exists is to discuss, and put discussion into action, how to reduce
careless and inattentive driving by motorists. Things such as hazardous
cyclists on sidewalks, or improvements to the streets themselves, will
certainly be up for discussion, but realize that the focus is dangerous
motorists and what we can do that will reduce future fatalities.

Here are some things that will not be permitted on the list, and none of
this is any different than common-sense online etiquette: namecalling,
personal attacks, totally off-topic discussion, or repeated statements
(last-word-ism) where there is no new info added, for example stating
over and over an opposition to someone's suggestion every time anyone
mentions it. If you have a reply to a post that is meant for the poster,
please don't broadcast it to the whole list.

Some things that are highly encouraged: suggesting ACTION, better yet
leading or organizing an action, encouraging "summaries" (collecting
feedback off-list and then summarizing all the input in a single post
later), doing research and posting the findings, making suggestions,
sharing your personal experiences in related activism, adding levity
(keep your sarcasm detectors in tune or just assume everything that
offends you is meant in jest), and giving email thumbs-up off-list to
people whose posts you like.

Sometimes I get frustrated when the list discussion wanders too far
off-topic or becomes contentious, and then make a terse statement to the
list. I didn't mean to make anyone feel unwanted, it's the behavior and
not the person I'm trying to discourage. Sometimes after a flurry of
posts totally unrelated to the reason most people subscribed in the
first place, I notice the number of subscribed email addresses is much
smaller, meaning several people have left. That is a real concern, since
we're stronger in advocating for safety when there are more of us.

So with that, post away! Just realize what it is we're here for. I am
very glad that you are all here and there is so much intensity for this
topic. There is no doubt that with persistence and commitment, we can
greatly reduce fatalities due to traffic collisions.

<:Brian:>

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006

[trafficsafety] car-less images of Alberta

Hey folks;
I sent this to the Shift List, but I wanted to give you the added point
that you are welcome to use any of these images in the promotion of safe
streets in Portland.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60961560@N00/sets/72157594293197613/

Pictures of children happily using the street is more helpful to our
cause than guilt.

Also I saw a bike in a near-miss today when he passed a car on the
right, and the car (with no signal of course) started a right turn.
Damn it's frustrating

--
Aaron Tarfman
Transportation Diplomat
www.yourbodypower.org

"It's amazing to me that people can save $7000 a year by making a simple lifestyle change."

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[trafficsafety] If I could put it all in a nutshell

…I would say that I am more serious about bicycle safety than anything I’ve been about anything in my 60 years.  I apologize for offending anyone. If I have little room for sarcasm or jest, I can change that. 

 

What I won’t change is my intolerance for extremes in language when responding to crises like the recent ones we’ve experienced, regardless of how far removed.  I didn’t know Mike Wilberding who was killed September 1st, neither did I know Sheryl and Darrel McDaniel killed May 29TH , I didn’t know Erik Lyager who was killed after falling off his bike on SW 185th on July 12th, and I didn’t know Michael Kalan, the most recent tragedy, killed on the 15th.  Their losses are tragic and most certainly could have been avoided had the motorists not “wandered onto the shoulder” or had the “sun in their eyes.”

 

The posts I saw on this list appeared to be of the mentality of “let’s string ‘em all up!”, and that is never going to work.  To be frank, I’m not sure what will, but let’s have reasonable discussion on this matter, develop a plan and proceed with it. 

 

I’ve posted a poll on the WashCo BTC yahoo groups site: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/washcobtc/ .  In order to view the poll, you’d have to sign up but, I’m sure many don’t wish to.  So, here is the question and the solutions I’ve proposed, cut and pasted:

In the recent spate of motorist/bicyclist collisions and deaths, many are crying out for a revision in the law. Some are calling for increased penalties when a motorist is a fault when hitting and/or killing a bicyclist or pedestrian. How would you rewrite the laws to handle this?

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Currently, the tally shows a 60% favor for changing the law, 20% for education, and 20% to establish a traffic commission. 

 

If you wish, reply with your choice here (please use a different heading like My Choice), or join that group and vote there.  The poll is open until September 30th for compilation and presentation to the county commission meeting on Tuesday, October 3rd.  I will tally the results and post them back to the list.

 

If you believe there should be more descriptive terms or more questions, please let me know.  I don’t want the scope too broad as I learned my lesson in dealing with the county.

 

For example, about four years ago, the WashCo BTC made a lengthy presentation to the commission about some concerns we had over traffic conditions, chip sealing roadways, intersection markings and other areas of concern. We were well received by the commissioners.  We asked at that time for an establishment of a Bicycle Advisory Committee that would provide relevant input and advice to County staff and the Commission.  We were shot down due to the “lack of real ongoing issues” and concerns about the costs to staff time.  We were instead given a “bicycle coordinator” to attend meetings with us quarterly.

 

Well, 5 people have died in less than 5 months, so our call on the Commissioners this time will be to create a Traffic Commission whose powers and duties would include reviewing proposals related to major traffic changes in the County, advising the County Commission on issues pertaining to traffic safety, and assisting in promulgating standards and policies relating to traffic management as governed by the County. The Commission would hold regular public hearings on traffic issues.

 

Currently, County Land Use and Transportation (LUT) staff determines which control devices are placed at what intersections, which bicycle/pedestrian projects get funding, and how roads are overlaid with what materials.  There is NO citizen input, much less those specific to bicycling or walking.  Certain projects, depending on scope and cost, establish a citizen advisory committee, but most of the roadways and intersections the County has jurisdiction over won’t have improvements that warrant such a look.  A commission would change that.

 

800 acres in the North Bethany area was recently brought into the UGB and planning has begun on how to develop it.  There are no representatives for pedalers or walkers; instead the Stakeholders Work Group is comprised mostly of property owners, developers, building industry representatives, and LUT staff.  I intend to appeal that and get representation.

 

With regard to changing the law; it was mentioned on this list that we should be looking to strengthen sanctions whenever anyone is killed, regardless of whether it was a bicyclist, pedestrian, motorcyclist OR motorist is killed.  To me, that approach would be more successful than only going after motor/bicycle collisions.  There are several ways to do this.  One is through the initiative process; another is to get a legislator to introduce a bill on your behalf to amend the statutes.

 

Kat Iverson has provided information on some of the statutes as they currently are in other postings, and it would take a lawyer (or other cunning wordsmith) to rewrite those laws to reflect our desires.  It may be passed into law by the legislature, or it may be referred to voters.  The second option, like the first, is the more likely scenario because we then have the insurance industry, the AAA or other motor vehicle friendly groups who would oppose such a measure and few politicians are willing or ready to take on the insurance lobby. 

 

However, I am sending a letter to all 10 representatives in the House that represent Washington County asking any and all of them to provide support on this initiative we’ll compose and present.

 

The WashCo BTC is ready to take the lead in this matter and will appreciate all the guidance and assistance anyone wants to provide it.

 

Personally, it is my opinion that education will be the underlying key to understanding the reasons we travel where we do on the roadways.  I’m teaching a group of 5 (so far) farmers, truck drivers and rural homeowners a ‘Motorist Education’ class next month.  I’d gotten a call from a man who lives right near where Michael Kalan was killed on the 15th.  He owns a nursery nearby and sees “bikes on West Union all the time.”  He said he knows they have a right to be there, but wants to know more about where in the roadway they ride.  He asked about why, when approaching a hill a bicyclist moves out into the lane so he can’t pass.  I explained this to him and invited him to a class.  He has others in the area who also want to learn and change their behavior and this may be the start of a very good thing.

 

I’ve offered free* tuition to the Bicycle Safety Education Class to this list.  To date, only one member has taken me up on my offer.  I’ve held 12 classes so far.  One of my first questions in class is for a show of hands of who doesn’t know how to ride a bicycle.  I have had one hand go up.  That lady and I conducted some private tutoring sessions, and she has subsequently enrolled with team IBM in the Bike Commute Challenge, sponsored by the BTA.  IBM won the award last year and they’re gunning for it again this month.

 

You all know how to ride a bike.  I certainly did when I took the course, but I learned a tremendous amount.  I knew a tremendous amount when I studied and participated in the Certified Instructor program offered by the League of American Bicyclists, I learned a tremendous amount more!  In fact, I think I’ll quit learning about bicycling when I die, not before.  You may learn a little, you may teach ME a lot, I’m ready for it.  More importantly, something you know and pass along in class may be just the thing another student may need to gain that confidence and assurance in their skills on the roadways.  Something I might have missed or even stated incorrectly, you never know.

 

I’ll remain on this list, if you’ll have me.  I’ll even tune up my “sarcasm detector” as one member put it, and as long as it isn’t of bad intent, I may even chuckle or respond in kind.

 

 

Hal

“I ride my bicycle to ride my bicycle” ~Zen proverb

 

Re: [trafficsafety] First, what is the problem ... then we can find a solution

Hal Ballard has many years of experience in bicycle advocacy, and I he has done a lot of work in Beaverton and Washington County. He is the current Chair of the Washington County Bicycle Transportation Coalition. He is a valuable resource, I would be disappointed if the traffic-safety group were to lose him.
 
Humor is a very difficult thing to do via email.  The reader may be in a completely different mindset, different mood, etc., from the writer.  The email writer and email reader may not know each other personally, and the reader may not "get" the writer's warped sense of humor. 
 
I've offended people on more than one occasion by writing something in jest or in a sarcastic tone that I thought was humorous, but others found offensive or juvenile, or both. 
 
If Jasun and Hal were to happen to bump into each other (not literally) in person and get to talking about bicycling issues, I'll bet they would find they had much in common and would agree on way more issues than they disagreed on. 
 
I hope this can be worked out and that Hal will reconsider.
 
--CD
 

 
On 9/19/06, Preston Crawford <me@prestoncrawford.com> wrote:
Unless I missed something, that was making Mount Hood out of an ant hill.
It seemed to me that Jasun made a statement about the reality of how
society is markted to and manipulated so severely that a bigger car is
often a statement of confidence or pride in place of real confidence.
That's what I got out of what he wrote. How this wondered into this
strange place where Hal would consider leaving the list is beyond me.

Preston

> I may be way out of line here, so shut me up if I'm wrong but...
>
> 1) Hal, please reconsider.
> 2) Brian, please reconsider your position as well.
>
> This list needs people with Hal's experience and judgment.
>
> This list, being so new, also needs to find it's direction before it can
> move forward.  I don't think Hal's post was meant in a bickering manner.
> I
> interpreted Hal's post as meaning that he thought the previous poster was,
> perhaps, naïve in his thinking and maybe needed to refine/reconsider his
> position.
>
> It seems to me that many of us are working through our emotions as well as
> opinions on the current state of traffic safety (or lack thereof).  I
> think
> the discourse, at this stage in the list's life, is really necessary.
> Polite and respectful discourse, of course, as all opinions should be
> valued, even when one disagrees with the stated opinion.  But we need to
> flesh out the direction that members want to go in, and the results folks
> hope to achieve.
>
> Before we become a "working group", we need to figure out what we want to
> work ON.  If we can't debate that direction, we won't be effective.
>
> JMHO.
>
> Susan
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hal Ballard [mailto: bicyclist@comcast.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:25 PM
> To: 'Brian Scrivner'; trafficsafety@lists.riseup.net
> Subject: RE: [trafficsafety] First, what is the problem ... then we can
> find
> a solution
>
>
> Brian,
>
> Remove me from the list.
>
> It is biased and one sided and not open to any criticism.
>
> "The thing is, "You see what you want to see, and you hear what you want
> to
> hear.  You dig?"  (the Rock man from "The Point" by Harry Nilsson)
>
> Hal Ballard
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Tuesday, September 19, 2006

Re: [trafficsafety] 'Negligent Collision' fine

Thanks Aaron,

I like the idea of keeping a bicycle weight in the equation ... yea, I know
that the fine will be minimal. But it would still be unbised application to
*all* legal vehicles.

One not so obvious thing that I thought of today ... if a person is finned
$10000 ... they most likely will have to sell that expensive vehicle and seek
a cheaper form of transportation. Not to ring my own bell ... but ...
subversively genius I tell ya!

jasun

On Tuesday 19 September 2006 22:55, Aaron wrote:
> I very much like what has been written. Very good ideas and well
> thought out. Definately the vehicle's weight should be put into the
> equation.
> A few thoughts
> A bicycle which strikes a pedestrian (almost never) would not create
> much of a fine, since a bicycle only weighs 20-40 lbs more than a
> pedestrian. The main advantage of a bicycle is that it provides high
> inertia for very little weight/effort. Maybe double the weight-fee for
> bicycle imposed crashes (of courese it would have to not be biased to
> place the bike at fault all the time).
> Second there are some people who learn from paying a fine, but there are
> many who don't. I think that the idea of revoking the license of a
> dangerous driver (repeat offender) and offereing a driver-safety course
> (or forced volunteer time helping bikes) as an alternative would be very
> helpful
>
> Aaron Tarfman
> Transportation Diplomat
> www.yourbodypower.org
>
> "It's amazing to me that people can save $7000 a year by making a simple
> lifestyle change."
>
> Jasun Wurster wrote:
> >I think that a 'Vehicular Homicide' law is great ... for those that are
> > lucky enough to be killed. However, this would be useless to those that
> > survive a collision. More so, not provide an educational component to
> > help reduce negligence by vehicle operators on public roads.
> >
> >Here is what I would like to see:
> >
> >A 'Negligent Collision' fine. The fine is applied to any vehicle operator
> > that is responsible for a collision caused by negligence.
> >
> >The fine is based on a formula that penalizes heavier and larger vehicles.
> > The reason for this is that if 5000 pound SUV collides with a Motorcycle.
> > The damage caused to the motorcyclist is most likely far more severe.
> > Another situation where this law would proportionally penalize negligence
> > is if a Bicycle has a collision with a Pedestrian.
> >
> >The formula I have been thinking of is one that takes the difference of
> > the larger vehicles weight times $1 dollar. An example is that the
> > operator of a 5000 pound SUV is negligence and collides with a Pedestrian
> > ... $5000 fine. If the collision that caused was caused by negligence is
> > severe enough and causes a fatality. Then a multiplexer of 5 is applied
> > to the fine.
> >
> >Vehicles who's GVW (gross vehicle weight) that are with in 20% of each
> > other have the fine based on the larger vehicle. This provides a fine for
> > two similar vehicles when the lesser weighing vehicle was at fault. If
> > the lesser vehicle is at fault ... I have not figured this out yet.
> >
> >All money collected from the fine goes to a state fund in which provides
> >grants to organizations to reduce collisions on public roadways. May this
> > be through education or infrastructure.
> >
> >A few reasons why I like this idea. The name, Negligent Collision, is a
> > proper description of why the person is getting fined. It also reinforces
> > why “accidents” happen.
> >
> >The fine covers all vehicle operators and is not just bicycle centric.
> > This makes it more appealing to every vehicle operator.
> >
> >The fines are meant to be large, this money will cause a substantial
> > financial strain, which it is meant to do. The financial penalization is
> > economically proportional. Generally those that can afford to fuel and
> > pay for a 5000 pound SUV have the money to pay higher fines.
> >
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